Preston Wish List

20th, February 2010 by

Mural in Preston

Random yet fun post! Thought I’d play town planner for the day & list what I’d like to see in Preston’s city centre…Here’s my personal Top 10…

1. A whacking great big kid’s play area, on the scale of Withy Grove Park Play area in Bamber Bridge, with a skate park, BMX ramps, fountains, picnic tables & cafe for families.

2. An independent cinema.

3. Cultural quarter with subsidised artist’s workshops, offices, an exhibition space and shop.

4. Tramlines, cycle routes & zero traffic.

5. A shopping arcade dedicated to independent retailers.

6. More artwork from spray can murals to mosaics to temporary, quirky sculptures.

7. Roller skating rink.

8. Mango, Zara & Mac.

9. A soup kitchen(cheap, nutricious, healthy food for all!).

10. A yoga, tai chi & meditation centre accessible to all.

Oh yes…and an Olympic sized swimming pool & a city farm too!

What would you like to see in the city centre?

Leave your comments here & let everyone know!

Image credit: Tony Worrall

Mural: Star Youth Club, Ashton, Preston. Mural was painted by the young people from the club with the help of the team at Zap Grafitti Arts.

  • http://andrewdisley.com/ Andrew Disley

    Add my vote for a Roller Rink :)

  • Luke Bosman

    If we were to knock down the law courts there would be space for an Olympic sized swimming pool.

    For now, I’ll settle for a pedestrianised Fishergate, good independent shops, a second bookshop and absolutely no oversized bus stations.

  • http://riversstream.blogspot.com River

    Those all sound like great ideas, though I might betray my age by saying I have no idea what Mango, Zara and Mac are, still I’m the guy that tried to buy cufflinks and a tiepin from Fat Face.

    I’d add plenty of seating for older people, at present the only way you can get to sit down in the city centre is if you also fork out for a cup of the overpriced froth that passes for coffee these days, oh, and a ‘changing places’ style toilet for people with severe disabilities.

  • http://riversstream.blogspot.com River

    My big wish for Preston is to sack the Vision Board and the NWDA, and replace them with elected bodies that are actually accountable to the people of Preston, perhaps then we will get some development ideas that actually work!

    http://riversstream.blogspot.com/2010/02/add-your-ideas-to-preston-wishlist.html

  • http://ursustemulentus.co.uk drunkenbear

    I vote for the tai chi option!

  • Tony Worrall

    What would I like?

    1. re-open the old Odeon cinema in the centre of town

    2. An ice rink with a championship ice hockey side

    3. A 21st century cutting edge library away from the museum

    4. A decent museum with a decent Preston history section

    5. A truly pedestrianised City Centre with no idiot car/van/lorry drivers

    6. A revitalised (and retained) bus station

    7. A new City square with cafes, eating, seated places to rival those of bigger city centres

    But most of all someone in charge who talks to the people AND ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING

  • http://www.liampennington.blogspot.com Liam

    So much to suggest, so little real chance of it happening!

    Keep the Bus Station, an absolute must for the City. Pedestrianise the City Centre, re-draw the one-way system to make it less of a hassle to get from A-B via J.

    Focus on improving the city centre in bits, not the “mini-Manchester in one go” idea which appears to have corrupted the minds of Town Hall peeps. Put a halt on the number of takeaways; promote independent shops like Tea Room on Cannon Street.

    The free internet booths and free internet provision at the Harris must be retained…but the systems are so outdated and slow it’s becoming impossible to work properly. Investment (maybe more from the European Union through whom the booths came?) must be given to ensure those without internet access can still use these services in the future.

    Preston is NOT some supersized city on the verge of greatness. The sooner our elected (and unelected!) types stop trying to turn it into Manchester, the better for all.

  • http://www.newroomsonline.co.uk Sally Edmundson

    My votes:

    Olympic Pool

    Olympic Ice Rink (does such a thing exist?)

    Proper drainage of the docks so a Sailing Centre could use the dock area without fear of ingesting something scary! Surely that expanse of water could rise again to good effect??

    Independent Cinema

    City Centre office space used before the green belt out of town areas…no idea how it could be enforced or subsidised/incentivised but I feel there should be more of an incentive to keep retail and offices within the existing structures eg the Miller Arcade, former HSBC bank, Woollies

    and yes, absolutely let’s create this creative hub once and for all. Workshops, galleries.

    Commission a piece of public art which is a show stopper! Maybe a Guild piece – can we get Gormley on the case, please?????? Maybe an homage to our former shipping heritage and have a huge island in the middle of the dock with some great sculpture upon it?? A big Kate Malone fountain?????

    Must start work now!

    Thanks for starting the debate guys, let’s get Preston talking!!!!

  • http://undergreylancastrianskies.blogspot.com/ Michael Holdsworth

    Before I start, I know I certainly don’t want anything like the current Tithebarn proposals, nor the proposed changes to the flag market. The latter riles me the most, why attempt to modernise something for the sake of it? I’m sure there’s a way of revitalising the square and keeping it’s originality and character. Otherwise it’s going to turn into a replica of many squares/plazas across the world.

    As for the bus station… Well, if they were going to move it, it should have gone where the Aldi and Blockbuster are now. There’s nowhere else to move it to that would be an improvement. That said, the building itself is a disgrace and should be knocked down so we can start again. It looks terrible, it’s uninviting and it’s the type of place that just attracts troublemakers.

    A city centre leisure facility is a must for me. West View and Fulwood are out of the way and a pain for many to get to. Incorporate one around a swimming pool and you’ve got a winner in my eyes.

    I like the idea of a cultural/creative quarter, I’ve always felt something like that should be in place around Winckley square. It just feels like the right place to me and could revitalise the park without ruining it.

    I also like the idea of an ice rink. Many people go to Blackburn or Altrincham to skate – it would retain a heck of a lot of money in the city.

    A new city centre cinema. The Odeon should never have closed.

    I’d also like to see more emphasis on independant cafes and eateries. I’m fed up of Starbucks, Costa Coffee and the like. Not only are they overpriced and overrated, but it’s turned Preston into an identikit city centre.

    A better library/computer facilities are also a must. The Harris doesn’t feel too welcoming to me and other than that there’s only the University library.

    That’s another thing – the University is getting far too much development when other projects that would benefit the local population get stalled and shelved. I know someone who tried to get affordable, social housing built on a few sites around Preston. The council refused to sign the contract, but kept signing off student accommodation left, right and centre.

    Trams. We need trams. A good, clean, reliable, cheap tram network would be a godsend in this city.

    I think that’s all for now!

  • Andrew Kirkham

    The NWDA and Preston Vision are 2 bodies who are actually working hard to promote the city and to instigate regeneration.Perhaps you think this should be left to the council to organise?Not much luck in that direction so far!
    There are some fantastic initiatives in Preston,Trampower for one.Not a pie in the sky dream but a realistic proposal with a lot of interest in the right places.The dream of trams in Guild year is a real one.
    Quick fixes for me include draining and securing Winckley square.Drains and lights-not too expensive,certainly less than £3 million!
    Pedestrianise Fishergate.What a difference to the retail shopping experience that would make.Comparitively cheap too!
    Millers arcade for me would make a superb restaurant dining space with different outlets.Possibly not the right time for the landlords but a reasonable suggestion?
    Lots more but must get back to work for now.

  • MC1

    Preston had an independent cinema at UCLan but hardly anyone in Preston bothered supporting it so it ended. I believe it’s run by the SU at UCLan now.

    I’m not sure revamping the old Odeon in the town centre would be a good idea. Is that the one that’s now Lava Ignite? Isn’t it in the area that’s earmarked for demolition for Tithebarn? Personally, emerging from a Friday/Satruday night screening only to negotiate my way through the drunken, fighting, puking hordes on Fishergate isn’t something I’d find attractive.

    I agree completely with River (above) that seeing the back of the Vision Board and NWDA, both unelected and unaccountable bodies, would be desirable. The Vision Board is basically a lobby group that works to further the aims of big business and big players such as UCLan. It doesn’t represent the people of Preston or their interests at all.

    Having worked with the NWDA in the past, I can confirm that it is riddled with an inherent culture of wastefulness and inefficiency (as you might expect from an unelected, bureaucratic quango) which is compounded by the regular manifestation of cronyism within its ranks.

    With regard to cultural development in Preston, this will not be seen until this aspect of the ‘city’ has a coherent system of competent management and leadership in place. I know from personal experience that there are many people in the public and private sectors within Preston that work really hard to deliver a sustainable cultural offer. Without exception, this exists purely because certain individuals are motivated to develop ideas in the real world that result in tangible outcomes. Put simply, they’ve had an idea and just got on with it.

    The cultural ‘leadership’ in Preston (again, something I know from personal experience) host endless seminars, workshops, presentations and buffets where they spend hours waffling on about ‘visions’ and ‘strategies’. I can’t think of a single ‘vision’ talked about in any of the ‘workshops’ I personally know of that has resulted in any real outcomes whatsoever. Some people are so embedded in the culture of public sector, box ticking strategies and ‘visions’ waffled on about in seminars that they think by waffling they are actually achieving something.

    We should judge people by their actions. The Council employs how many sports development managers/officers? Maybe 40 plus? And only 1 cultural development manager. For somewhere that aspires to be the Third City of the Northwest? Say’s it all.

    This is not the fault of several council employees whom I know work really hard and are committed to achieving real results. But they can only work within the context which is framed by the leadership in the town and since effective, meaningful leadership on culture in this town is virtually non-existent their hands are somewhat tied.

    Imagine if these ‘visionaries’ really did have the capacity to perceive a thriving and sustainable cultural sector in Preston? UCLan turns outs thousands of students with cutting edge skills in the cultural and creative sectors. I’d be surprised if more than a handful every year remain here to enable growth in those sectors and that’s simply because there is noweher in employment terms for them to apply those skills.

    If these ‘visionaries’ had real vision, would it not have occurred to them by now that developing ways and means of retaining these graduates would develop Preston’s cultural and creative sector and its economy with relatively lightning speed?

    Until there is effective leadership rather than talking shop heroes here these things just won’t happen. Growth will occur as there are always a few individuals who’ll develop ideas in the real world. It’ll just take longer.

  • Andrew Kirkham

    It seems that MC1 is putting his mark down for the job of Preston’s first elected mayor.
    Perhaps an elected mayor is the answer as advocated in this weeks LEP.
    A strong leader who is motivated by the regeneration of the city he/she loves and not by party bickering.
    They would certainly get my vote!

  • http://www.liampennington.blogspot.com Liam

    Unelected and unacountable “vision boards” and “development agencies” should leave the heck alone from Preston.

    And as for the bus station – what do you want, exactly? 1,100 car parking spaces, a transport hub, and a central iconic landmark for the city….or a glass-and-chrome walk-in wardrobe hidden behind the Warehouse?

    Preston needs its bus station. “Be careful what you wish for”

  • MC1

    I agree that an elected mayor would have benefits. I totally disagree that I would be a suitable candidate! I’m not sure most councillors in Preston would approve of an elected mayor as I’ve heard it mentioned this may mean less council seats for some reason. So self-interest and a desire on the part of some not to have their feathers ruffled may mean the idea won’t get a look in.

    The problem with the Vision Board and the NWDA, apart from them being unelected by and unaccountable to the people whose interests they claim to serve, is that they themselves determine by which criteria they are successful. Or even necessary. No objective and open means of assessing or scrutinising their value is available.

    As for the bus station and whether it remains or not, I don’t agree that the choice should boil down to what some see as an iconic transport hub OR a glorified, identikit shopping centre that in the artist’s impressions seems to aspire to replicate the Thamesmead locations from Clockwork Orange. These may be the options presented to Prestonians but how many Prestonians have been instrumental in determing this ‘one or the other’ choice?

  • http://www.blogpreston.co.uk Lisa McManus

    A lot of very good comments and ideas, well put.
    I didn’t realise there had been an independent cinema in Preston, I moved back to Preston two years ago. Was it publicised?
    So what can be done?
    Top of my list is a new kids play area. It’s not going to happen in the city centre any time soon, so it’s time for me to stop talking and actually go to a ‘Friends of…’ meeting to find out how I can get involved.
    Other than that, well an Olympic sized swimming pool would fit perfectly on top of Preston bus station, imagine the views from the diving board!
    But seriously I would like to see a Question Time style debate, involving key people involved in the redevelopment and the general public. How to organise that…I haven’t a clue!

  • Simon

    Here’s the link to the cinema:
    http://www.uclansu.co.uk/cinema/

    If they’re going to knock down the bus station, it would be great if it was replaced by a public square with lots of cafes etc. It would be great if the square was really attractive and impressive – a tourist attraction in itself, not some concrete and glass thing that will look as ugly in 30 years as the bus station does now. S’pose that’s too much to ask of Preston (see previous moans :-) ).

  • http://www.cultiv8ed.com Mike

    I’d second a skatepark. Preferably comparable to Stoke Plaza: http://www.skateparkmap.co.uk/images/stoke%20plaza%20500%20375

    We are also in dire need of a decent cinema. I go to Bolton to watch movies these days.

  • http://flickr.com/photos/ant93 Anthony Perez

    An exhibition space, miller arcade bouhgt back by the council full of independent shops/artist wrokshops, independent cinema, skatepark. More investeed into the harris msueum to rbing it upto par with livepool museum such as the cafe and library. more space within the harrris for independent exhibitions.